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Elizabeth Pipko captivated the public’s attention in 2019 when she revealed she kept her work on Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign a secret while simultaneously working as a model for one of the world’s top agencies.
Now, the model and founder of The Exodus Movement is ready to reveal much more than her conservative views in a new book titled “Finding My Place: Making My Parents’ American Dream Come True.”
Pipko, who’s been dubbed a “rising star in the conservative movement” by some, says there’s a lot more to her than a quick Google search. In her upcoming memoir, Pipko plans to address a multitude of questions surrounding her platform, but ultimately, her story is one she hopes will evoke a sense of patriotism in readers amid a political divide she feels has increased significantly in recent years.
The model-turned-activist has a number of accolades at age 25. Signed to Wilhelmina at age 17 and appearing in high-fashion editorials in publications like Maxim and Esquire, she is also the founder of The Exodus Movement, which is committed to fighting the rising anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism of the far left, as well as promoting support for Israel.
In “Finding My Place,” (her latest book) Pipko, a first-generation American, will reveal intimate details of her life, such as her parents’ and grandparents’ escape from the Soviet Union, which she says instilled in her the daily reminder of the freedom that comes from being born in America.
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Scott D Clary 00:06
Welcome to the success story podcast. I’m your host, Scott Clary. On this podcast, I have candid interviews with execs, celebrities, politicians and other notable figures, all who have achieved success through both wins and losses. To learn more about their life, their ideas and their insights, I sit down with leaders and mentors and unpack their story to help pass those lessons on to others through both experiences and tactical strategy for business professionals, entrepreneurs, and everyone in between. Without further ado, another episode of the success story podcast. Thanks again for joining me, I’m sitting down with Elizabeth Pipko, who is a author, a model extremely talented individual. She is a trained figure skater, she speaks six languages, she has written a book, and she’s writing another book, which is going to be coming out August 25. So she’s had a very diverse career, she has built a name for herself in a variety of different campaigns advocating for different different things both inside and outside of the political arena. So you may have heard of her, but I just wanted to say thank you so much for joining me, I want to understand how you built out your career where you came from, how somebody is so successful in so many different arenas and just tell me tell me your story.
Elizabeth Pipko 01:27
Yeah, so from the very, very beginning. My parents came here from the Soviet Union. So I was raised, just like a very happy, pro American, like child was just known that, you know, my life is good, because my parents literally gave up everything to come here. And it’s like, a pressure that I think kind of stayed with me, since I was like five or six, and like, able to even understand that. So like sitting with my grandparents, who basically raised me, and hearing like what they went through to come here so that their grandchildren, which they hadn’t even known at that point yet would have this, you know, American life, just kind of like a pressure. So when you say, you know, multi dimensional, so who does all these things, like it seems cool, but it’s like this anxiety that literally follows me around. It’s like, you have to conquer everything that you touch, and continue to do that through your life. And that so I guess there’s like, good, and there’s good and bad with that. But that’s kind of why I’ve been like touching all these different things and trying to take on these different opportunities.
Scott D Clary 02:19
So what was first? Um, so
Elizabeth Pipko 02:20
yeah, so start from the very beginning, when I was 10 years old, I stepped onto the ice for the first time and fell in love with figure skating. And my parents being the supportive amazing parents that they are we moved across the country to Florida so I could train in Florida with these, like really intense, amazing coaches who were the only like real professional coaches that would take me on at that point, because I really hit them skating for like a month. I gave up my whole life for that, like my family, my friends, my health, everything I knew I was homeschooled starting, like immediately, I was skating like eight hours a day. Really just like, hey, I’m going to the Olympics, the only thing I want, that was like 10 year old Elizabeth like dream. I spent like four years training really, really hard, caught up with kids my age, amazing. And then I got injured, like really, really badly quite a few times, I had like a skate to the head. I broke my femur and half like literally cracked him on like the entire middle from knee to hip, and broke my ankle toes, like literally everything you can imagine. And then kept coming back, which is great. And then at 15 I destroyed my ankle, like completely was told I would never skate again, as well as like have issues walking, running for quite some time. So that was really bad. I spent like almost five months I think in a cast and then like, seven years and like intense physical therapy, just trying to like come back and be a human again. In that time, we moved back to New York, I went back to school, I published my are self published, actually my first two books of poetry when I was like 17 and 19, I believe, which was really cool. I also got signed to Willamina models and started like, focusing all my skating energy in there and trying to succeed as a model. Um, in the meantime, I dabbled in politics, like you said, I worked in 2016 and politics. And then since then I’ve continued on there. And then I say around the same time 2015 2016 I officially made my return to the ice even though every doctor said I would never do it. And now I’m back turning on the ice and waiting to see what happens is that while also dabbling in the new book, and the politics and everything else.
Scott D Clary 04:19
What is your focus right now? Because you’re you’re competing, not competing, but I mean, you’re very effective at so many different things. So what what are your focuses? What are your passions? That you’re doubling down on? You know, you have you have this new book, you’re, you’re back on the ice figure skating, I’m not gonna be able to provide much commentary on that. I don’t know that world. But in terms of like, politics, advocacy, new book, what is your career, your what is your career destination look like?
Elizabeth Pipko 04:50
Yeah, a lot of people ask me that. The answer is I have no idea which thing is good, because I’m 25 and I don’t need to know what the hell I’m doing for the rest of my life. Right now. I do have a political organization that focuses pretty heavily on, I want to say just like Jewish causes, it’s political technically. And people see me that way, which is fine. But it’s like a very pro Israel cause which is less political. For me. Unfortunately, that’s become political nowadays. But it’s more than just a value I was raised with some very pro Israel, I spent a lot of my days literally stalking and fighting anti semitism, another focus of my organization. It’s also slightly political, which is fine with me though, it’s pretty like a touchy subject right now. And it’s been hard for me since like, getting into it losing friends and family members and being attacked away happen. But it’s just kind of a part of what I am what I do, I’m not pretending to be like, you know, person in Congress, or Senate or whatever it is, I’m not planning to be anything. I think since 2016, things have gotten crazy in politics. So my goal right now is to be able to advocate for the causes I stand for well, so just being a normal person, like I don’t think everyone has to be this like one sided person who like strongly pro right or left or whatever it is. So advocate for the causes that I stand for that have been with me, since I was a child, I started my own organization, which is half non for profit, and also super PACs. So I’m very proud of that, and 25 years old, but it’s also just a teeny tiny piece of who I am. And what I do, I put my heart and soul into that and building that out. So now it kind of functions on its own, which is great. And I’m honored to be a part of it whenever I am, but it’s just a little teeny piece, like I said, of what I do. So there’s that there’s the professorial stuff, which is separate from politics, and also combined, because that’s just the way life is now, but that’s my heart and soul. I am training, no one really knows that with the book and kind of like, for the first time telling people my story, I haven’t talked about skating a lot. Because it really, I thought would wait to the Olympics and ended so abruptly and like, so I want to say traumatically. But traumatically, like it was really rough for me. So I didn’t talk about it. Now that I’m back on the ice, I don’t know where it’s gonna go. But I’m back. And I’m jumping in training and doing things that did not know I’m doing, I’m comfortable talking about that. So I’m kind of telling the world that with my book right now, as well as other things. So I’m training. Luckily, I can figure skate at like five in the morning. So I can be done by like 9am and take on the world with some other projects. Good. There’s that there’s the book, which I’m super proud of. It’s kind of like a very pro America positive, just like one girl story of how she came to, you know where she is, it’s not very one sided. I’m not trying at 25 years old to tell you how to vote or what to do. I don’t believe in that. I’m not that person. Just telling you why I believe in the things that I believe in. So I think it’s like, my whole life is like a weird advocacy mission and like different ways, and hopefully something pays and becomes like actual career. Right now. It’s just like, wherever my heart takes me, I’m letting that take, you know, the hours of my day, every single day.
Scott D Clary 07:38
I think that the one thing you know, you hit on so many points. And there’s so many, so many things that I think are good lessons for people to learn from whether or not it’s you know, in the perseverance in, in figure skating, or even like the very, very sensible view to politics and not, you know, when you advocate for things, it doesn’t always have to be so partisan doesn’t have to be all right wing or left wing, there can be people that have that have sensible views on different topics, depending on what the topic is. And the fact that you acknowledge that and like that, sort of like where you’re coming from is like a place of authenticity. I think, you know, when I sort of look over the persona of, of yourself, it seems like you’re just building out a strong brand based on what you actually care about, which is I think, very important, you know, you’re marketing yourself authentically. And I think that that’s something that you don’t see a lot of in politics, unfortunately, I think that that’s something that we could use a little bit more of. And it seems like everything that you’re doing is sort of falling in line with that strong sense of personal self. And I don’t want to put words in your mouth. I’m just that’s sort of what I’m seeing, as you know, as you start going through all these different
Elizabeth Pipko 08:42
Yeah,no, that was very well put better than I could have said,
Scott D Clary 08:45
I just talked for a living. So it’s, the words come easier than they when you do a one off interview. But that’s really what I see to be quite honest. Um, so So what’s, uh, you know, let’s speak about some of the accomplishments. So, the the figure skating speaks for itself, you you did a ton of training, you had an accident, now you’re back on the ice, and that’s something you’re constantly striving for. You’re, you’re persevering. And normally, I would just ask something like, you know, how do you keep going? How do you you know, how do you get back back on the ice but I think that a lot of the reasons why you can get back on the ice are the same reasons why you’re able to have perhaps unpopular political views on some things that you know, you mentioned you lost some friends and family members, there’s always you know, it’s very sad when politics causes that of course, which is just stupid to be quite honest, but that it is what it is people are very people are very, you know, adamant about their politics and you know, right now is like at an all time high in terms of advocacy for what people believe. I see it I see it on social all the time, and it just, I should probably, yeah, but let’s you know, I want to understand like what drives you but first I just want understand a little bit more about the cause you support and how you built up. You mentioned something you said you were very proud of. I apologize. I didn’t I didn’t get the name or what the the actual movement was we said you built it up. It was a What was that again the pack.
Elizabeth Pipko 10:06
So telling the Exodus movement is that nonprofit with like a super PAC branch. Basically, when I got into politics, originally, like I had a mission, I worked in a campaign and then I was just kind of like, in that world didn’t know what to do. And like you said, I’m not like a very crazy, right wing, left wing. I don’t believe in any language believe in being my own person. And there were a lot of causes that I stand for. But I never wanted to be like this girl who worked for the Republican or Democratic Party like that was never going to be it. And the one thing that stuck with me since I was little was like advocacy for Israel fighting anti semitism, like all the things that come with, you know, girl who was in an Orthodox Jewish school from like two years old for like, 13. So I started a group, which basically was advocating for Jewish people. I don’t think Jewish people were taken seriously in politics enough. I don’t know if you know, it’s, I believe that donations in America, like 50% of donations come from Jews, like combined, which is terrifying, but they’re 2% of the population, but like that involved financially, but aren’t really taken seriously when it comes to politicians asking them what they actually care about what they stand for, like, it’s like the Jewish vote was just kind of taken for granted. I didn’t like that I didn’t stand for that. And I thought that they deserved better. So I started my own group, basically advocating for Jewish causes, like Israel, 97% of American Jews are Zionist, like they support Israel, despite what you see on social media, that’s just the way it is. And I don’t think there was enough coming to them enough information coming to them from different politicians, what they were going to do for Israel, it was a lot that was like sugar coated by the media based on what they thought they could tell people in order to get them to vote the way they wanted. And I just don’t believe in that. I think American Jews deserve to know where politicians stand on different issues that they care about. And to make like, a real decision, a genuine decision on their part, whether it’s the same as mine are different, that’s fine. But they should be treated as human beings and not just as a bonus that they can check off Democrat because it’s the way they’ve always voted. So I didn’t believe in that. So the group did start out super political, like I said, but it’s very focused on like pro Zionist, pro Israel, advocacy, which is super important to me, as well as fighting anti semitism, which ironically, at the same time, and super unfortunately, just like, like in America and around the world, at the same time that I got into this, so very focused on fighting anti semitism on both sides of the aisle. By the way, I don’t care if you’re a liberal or Pope, I don’t care what you stand for, if you’re an anti Semite, we will call you out to tell people not to vote for you and support you. And you know why this is coming out from where, so fighting anti semitism supporting Israel, and also there’s that little part that is very political, but I’m proud because it’s a real organization. I’m 25. And I’m not just, you know, advocating on social media, like a lot of people are and wanted real organizations, people will feel comfortable giving, you know, donating money or using our resources, whatever it is, but a real organization that I could leave my mark on, and then maybe give off to someone else and move on, but just something real that I could build. While I was in politics, I have no idea how long that would last, you know?
Scott D Clary 12:49
And how does somebody make that move. Such a such an incredibly impactful move, like just to start an organization like this, as opposed to just be like an SJW, and trying to be the loudest person on Twitter, because that doesn’t do shit for anybody. So one thing I’m a huge advocate of, I don’t really care what you believe in, but do something about it. And don’t just yell on social media, it doesn’t really matter what you believe in, you can believe in, you know, the sky’s purple, but just do something to prove it out. Or to support that cause in real life. So how do you how did you make that jump from just social that I’m sure most people your age, that’s really, you know, this is a huge generalization. But I don’t feel guilty saying it. Because it’s actually it’s very accurate. A lot of us do that,
Elizabeth Pipko 13:35
literally, it I would sit at home and be like upset that exact like, that was a speech that was running through my head. And it was not just like, young kids, by the way, like in politics, that’s everyone. Like, they want to see what they can, like, put their name on and get away with without actually doing anything, like older, you know, 5060, or like real people that have been in politics for generations, not just people my age. So I thought it was my age. And like, that’s one thing, but like, It’s inexcusable, when you’re someone who’s been in politics for like 4050 years, claiming to have had, you know, different effects on different people and elections, or whatever it is really just sticking your name on things like people do in politics for years, and I just, I didn’t want to be that person. And I thought even the people that disagree with me, which there are many would probably at least respect the fact that I stood for, you know, what I believed in, and I did something about and I tried to not even change your vote, but like, you know, reach out to people and do something with it. And not just that at home posting on Twitter. I also get a lot of attacks on Twitter, and I don’t want to be that person. So I’m better at saying all the social media and doing real things and not you know, crying like negative. So this was better for me as well.
Scott 14:34
And what were the first steps that you actually took to do something. So I’m just thinking people that are listening, if they really want to start a car, it seems like a monumental task to actually do something and to make an impact. So what were the steps that you took to actually, you know, walk walk walk us through how to start something like this?
Elizabeth Pipko 14:51
Yeah, so it’s actually a crazy story, and I won’t air out all of it on here because it’s politics and it’s dirty, but I was like, dragged into someone else’s idea for a movement. And when I saw, like you just said how much was not actually being done and which was claimed to, you know, be in the works for the media and whatever it is and wasn’t actually happening, I felt extremely uncomfortable being a part of it, as well as just like dangerous, literally breaking the law. Like I felt uncomfortable being a part of something, when I didn’t know everything that was happening behind the scenes like I was in the front, or whatever it is it like plastered all over the media. But nothing that I knew about was actually getting done. Like I had no idea what was going on back. And I just didn’t want to be that person that didn’t know what was going on. And didn’t know what they were actually advocating for didn’t know what was set up behind them to get something done. I didn’t want to be the face of something. But I didn’t know what was going on. And it kind of blew up, I don’t know where this like idea about Jews and how they vote and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, I can’t have the media blow up over something. And I don’t, you know, have full control of what it is. So that’s when I reached out to people and looked at different political consulting groups and met with people and decided to make a real organization and see what was going on. Before I live this, like weird fake life, like you mentioned, that just tweeting and saying things and not really getting things done. I didn’t want to be that person. And you’ll be shocked at how few people do that. So when you look into it, and you want to get it done, you actually can, you can very easily get it done. And you’ll feel a lot more accomplished than tweeting something and you know, hoping it gets retweeted by whatever number of people.
Scott D Clary 16:16
Yeah, well, it’s it’s it’s just like echo chamber, I find like social medias echo chamber of people with similar ideas to you, which just propagates your own your own idea without actually sort of widening your scope or your view. And I think it’s like a very toxic environment. I think that, you know, it’s funny, there’s different ways to look at this, but I think the social media algorithms purposefully or not, are very damaging, to, to communication to the conversation, to ideas and expanding, you know, the human condition and, and just sort of reaching reaching across the aisle so to speak, just because I know that algorithms favor like content. Now, when you have this, like social media echo chamber of life content, you always feel like what you’re saying is valid, because you’re being it’s being reinforced by people with similar views, which I think is the most dangerous thing. Because that that reinforcement is going to drive you to sort of put your feet down, like double down on what you believe in, regardless of whether or not it’s logical, or it makes I see some crazy shit on Twitter that like, we’re not putting politics like really crazy. Yeah, it’s It’s nuts. It’s absolutely nuts. What you can build a community around, if you’re not careful. And if you know, I think that that’s something that there’s so many issues with social media, like the mental health issues. You know, the need to get information instantaneously, these are all so many issues that we see social, but I think like politics is further propagated by social but, um, okay, so let’s, you know, there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of things that you’ve built out. And obviously, there’s some politics involved in, in what you were building with the super PAC. But that’s not all of it is that’s not all what it is, obviously, you want to sort of build something you’re proud of, and that you that you believe in. But you also, you know, when I’m reading sort of the summary for your book, so the book is called finding my place. That’s the book that’s coming out August 25. Right. Yeah. And it speaks about Okay, so now we got figure skating done. And that’s, you’re still doing that. SuperPAC. Now, what, what are images, like some of the lessons and moments that would dictate your future? I’m curious what some of those are.
Elizabeth Pipko 18:24
Yeah. So you kind of hit on this a tiny bit with like, we’re talking about with social media, people are very, very quick to like, follow the crowd and like, be shaped because it’s just the easiest thing to do. Yeah, I was attached for, you know, working in politics, but I was attacked as a little kid for like, choosing skating over like doing drugs and hanging out with boys like that. It’s always been that way. So it was like that easier for me when that happened. Because I literally had to deal with all that garbage my entire childhood. So for me, the book is about, like, people decide to political, whatever they want. That’s maybe three chapters out of eight seem like it’s about being your own person, it’s so much more serious than politics, because whatever’s going on right now, there are people advocating for, that’s going to change in the next like, in the next year, no one knows what’s going to happen. No one knows why it happened in the first place. And no one knows how long it’s gonna last. And the only thing that can last is like who you are as a person and what you genuinely believe in no matter who’s around you. So I think the whole book really is called finding my place. It’s about how I had to go through life and never really found my place. And whether that was skating and not fitting in there because of how I started and how I trained, you know, Judaism, like I’m judged on both sides of the aisle for not working out enough for him to Orthodox, whoever it is, and I’m very involved in that world politics. People really want to tell other people how to, you know, believe in their own faith, which is crazy. So they are in modeling. Like I always felt like I didn’t belong, even though I had like a real career at Willamina which was really exciting. Politics. I certainly feel like I don’t belong, I’m sure we’ll be able to see it in the future. Just literally finding your place through life and going on without actually knowing you know where you are with knowing who you are is super important. And I just I think it’s a really important book for right now if I can say so myself because it’s just very genuine I don’t want anyone to read the book Thinking it’s political, because it’s not. It’s a book telling you why I chose what I chose and encouraging you to choose, you know what you genuinely believe in yourself, not telling you don’t ever judge you for that just telling you that I would judge you if you chose someone else chose for you. And now what you’re really doing your heart because life is way too complicated for that. And really just following what you feel in your heart only when you believe in something that I’ve done since I was, you know, three or four years old, and hoping that, you know, people read the book and want to do that moving forward.
Scott D Clary 20:27
How do you what what is the what is one lesson that you would tell someone who feels as though their opinions don’t go with the grain, and they have opinions that they have, you know, it’s as something as simple as choosing the right sport or choosing an activity when you’re young, or it could be, you know, doubling down on your faith or religion, or it could be choosing a political arena to you know, sort of, you know, align with, how do you maintain that positive mental attitude? What’s your trick for not caving? You know, or, or is there no trick? Maybe, maybe, you know, maybe it is very hard for you, maybe there have been moments of like depression, and you’re second guessing yourself. So what is your formula?
Elizabeth Pipko 21:13
Yeah, so definitely been moments of depression. It’s been rough, but I don’t think it was directly related to like being my own person. And not just like injuries and you know, things in between. I think, like you said, there might not be a formula when I was little, I was a very different person. And now I really don’t know why maybe it’s like, so my parents and grandparents and what they went through, and just like what they instilled in me, without me even really noticing. But I had no problem being my own person. Like, I thought it was the coolest thing in the world that girls were talking about smoking weed, or whatever it was, and I was like, I have no interest in that, never gonna do it, I still haven’t done it. Like, I love being that person at 1314 15, whatever, it was still that person. But it was a lot easier. When you’re like, when you’re little, I think people don’t realize how much easier it is. And you think that you’re like, you know, going with the crowd in high school and doing stupid things. But you’ll be different when you’re an adult. And it’s not like that, it’s a lot easier to say no to like drugs or drinking or whatever it is at 15 than it is, you know, like real world decision, you know, real grown up in the world. So that’s when it started for me. And I thank God for that. Because after my injuries, and with the anxiety and depression and everything that came from that, I think I became, I can even say it’s like a weaker person. Like, I’m not the person that was in hospital before I went through all the garbage of the last, you know, 10 years, whatever. So I’m proud of that person. And that kind of stays with me through life. Like I literally think what what 13 year old listen to because she was way cooler than 25 year old list, honestly. But I think it’s also just, if you convince yourself that it’s cool, and you’ll want to do it like I don’t know, if there’s like a formula, I don’t know if I can tell myself like, Hey, I guarantee you this will succeed because no one else doing it like that will never click in my brain. But we’ll we’ll click a saying, hey, 10 out of 12 people are doing that you want to be doing this, because they’re never going to make it because it didn’t what everyone else is doing. There’s a reason they’re doing it. And it’s because it’s easier to choose the harder path, it’ll make you a stronger person, or at least a different person, who they are like, you’re not guaranteed to succeed. But you’re guaranteed to get a different lesson than any of them, you know, we’re ever going to get to doing what everyone else is doing. There’s also a reason they’re doing it. And it’s because it’s easier doing what’s easier, it’s never going to help you in life ever. So I think it’s more just like rationalizing it with yourself and telling yourself, you know, why do you want to do this? And why do so many people not want to? Why don’t people want that? Why do they make fun of you for it, and realizing that it might actually cool to be different. And that everyone that’s ever made it in life was probably super bullied, super different growing up and realized only like 3040 50 years too late. That was actually the right way to live their life.
Scott D Clary 23:29
Yeah, that’s, I think that’s I think, I think you nailed it to be quite honest. That’s, that’s 100% In my opinion, at least how you have to do it. I think it also helps if you have a really strong support system. But if for example, say some people don’t they don’t have the support system. I know people that because of their you know, God forbid, their their political views, like they’ve had fights with their family, they’re, you know, this and this whatever cousin brother sister doesn’t speak to them and just horrible. But I think that reinforcing the why and reinforcing that like internal fire as to why you even started down this path. And then I love I love what you said about I love the two things you said and as want to highlight them the first one being just if everyone’s doing it first of all, definitely doesn’t mean it’s right. And second of all, you can you can be sure that even if you choose a different path than everyone else, even if your different path is different, you can always go back and learn and default the other way they will always be there that always there. I love that. And then the other thing you mentioned is most most successful people didn’t fall in line with what’s normal you hear this from I know you’re speaking you know in your personal experience, your sports, politics, whatever here is from entrepreneurs like all these all these anybody who you know who is highly successful, who you know their name, guaranteed, they were if you saw them before they were successful, you would have been like, this one’s a little bit weird. Because yeah, it takes a little bit weird. He’s a little bit crazy.
Elizabeth Pipko 24:53
And even if you didn’t meet them and think that yourself guaranteed people would tell you, Hey, don’t worry. You don’t want to bring you down Minute that they say something different about you, even if it’s not weird to them, like, if they don’t understand it, they hate it. Like, that’s just the way it is. And they will always tear you down. Even once you make it, they’ll tear you down even more, because people don’t like that, like people are uncomfortable by other people who like choose to be different.
Scott D Clary 25:13
Yeah, very well. So I have a couple I have a couple other like just professional insight questions that I like to ask. But before before that, I just wanted to sort of close up, pardon the pun, like close a chapter on the book. And and just ask, is there anything that I didn’t ask about the book that you wanted to that you want to chat about?
Elizabeth Pipko 25:33
Um, no. I mean, I think it’s definitely what I said very, like non, you know, not strictly political at all very pro America, just, you know, very open and honest. But it’s also when I came like out in the public world, in politics, mostly, like I was known a bit in modeling, but not like this at all. Because politics is crazy. Right now. A lot of people just chose to, like, tell my story for me, like were there articles, There were articles lying about who I was, and like, like just garbage, nasty things in the other side, as well as just people like choosing to tell who I am why I believe in what I believe in, like all these crazy things. And I’m not saying this book’s gonna be a best seller, though. I hope it is. But I think it was important for me. And that’s another reason I tell people be who you are. It’s important for me, I’m currently getting to tell my story. So it might be, you know, 15 years later than little 10 year old lives who dealt with some bullying, but I’m getting to tell why I am where I am, why I made every decision I made. Some people are really going to dislike it on both sides, politically on all sides and skating and this and that, because they’re going to be uncomfortable. And that’s okay. But I’m finally going to tell my story. And if you choose to, you know, go your own way, you also have your own story where choose to go with everyone else. story won’t be that interesting at 2535 45. But I have a lot of you know, weird things to share and cool things I hope to share inside things to share. And hopefully people will read it and think, oh, I can do my own thing as well. And it might not always work out definitely. But at least believe me to be my own person. And,
Scott D Clary 26:52
you know, your story actually reminds me on the show, I interviewed Anthony Scaramucci. And he’s also the guy who came from not politics, and was putting the politics and just dealt with the absolute shit show, though, was politics. And he’s like, yeah, and yeah. And he was like, you know, like, Scott, he’s like, imagine, imagine, I can’t remember the quote, exactly. But it was like, you know, imagine like the the worst person in Wall Street and business and finance. That’s like the person you want to be friends with in Washington. And it’s just nuts. Because he was, you know, he’s not young, like you’re relatively, you know, in 25. You know, like, into real, like, you know, multi millionaire like, huge, with his venture capital firm, a very highly successful, accomplished individual how to name for himself a huge name for himself, just in like, the Wall Street finance investment world. And he went into politics, he’s like, it was just a nightmare. So the more I think you have to be like a different person to, to
Elizabeth Pipko 27:52
even begin, like it will chew you up and spit you out. And like, I always thought politics was cool. Like, I watched all the movies. And I was like, in like, the mock elections in school, like, I love it. And I was like, oh, it’s evil, like, people are evil people are cool. Like, it’s like a James Bond movie. It’s 10 billion trillion times worse, like, I read about a bit in the book, but you can’t even get like no part of it will make you feel good. When you close your eyes at night. Like you will be like, I can’t believe I’m a part of this. It is the worst thing. Just just awful. God awful. And it gets worse by the day. And it’s just terrifying how many people young people when I was little, this wasn’t happening, young young people 1112 years old, especially said social media, but like they’re involved in like advocating for something and are just ruining their minds and their lives and depressing themselves and everything else. Because I feel like there’s like this mission out there for them. He just politics has just taken over everyone’s hearts and minds and everything else. And it is it’s terrifying. And it’s awful. And I pray that it goes back to normal version.
Scott D Clary 28:45
Yeah, I think that I think that. I think because of all the issues that are on a global scale, like COVID George Floyd’s social unrest, it’s just like doubling down on already stressed people. And then unemployment and economy. Like there’s so many things that you know, say what you want about Trump, but he is having one hell of a turn like this is not a normal time for it’s not anybody failing No, no, this is this is an absolute shit show for anybody that was in office. And and you know, I don’t Well, I think that you know, I don’t want to compare it to other horrible global events, but this is like this is in my lifetime. And in your lifetime, it’s this is probably the worst it’s yeah, no one
Elizabeth Pipko 29:33
my kids are gonna ask me about 911 and they’re gonna ask me about you know, Coronavirus or at least 2020 years old
Scott D Clary 29:40
20 I think 2020 is a holding I think Coronavirus is like the how it started a little just went down. Yeah,
Elizabeth Pipko 29:46
and it’s only July just wait,
Scott D Clary 29:48
don’t remind me. Oh my god. I just like I’m in Toronto. So, you know, I think we just allowed like, not not in Toronto. I’m Canada, Canadian, but non Toronto. But outside of Toronto in Ontario, we don’t have it half as bad as what’s going on in the States right now in terms of daily cases, but we just were allowed to go sit on patios, like in the past month, which was nice. But it’s still it’s just like, it’s just yeah, it’s very, it’s very difficult. And I you know, the thing is that you don’t see the end in sight, right? That’s really the issue, like you just saw and as I’m complaining about patios, but like realistically, like, you know, thank God, I still have work. You know, I’m very blessed compared to some people who are not so fortunate. But it’s still like, for everybody, when’s it gonna end? Like, when? When will the economy open back up? When can I, you know, I used to live in New York and LA, like, I used to go down to New York, like, once or once a month for work. And now it’s just like, it’s all closed up. It’s very weird, right?
Elizabeth Pipko 30:41
I don’t know. And it’s like a weird fear of like, This could last six months or this, like New York, like maybe the virus. And, you know, hopefully, when New York, there’ll be New York the way it is right now, for the next two, three years, we might not be like Broadway and high square, like in the next two, three years. Simple thing. It sounds small, but it’s really scary. It’s like the American spirit is like in that block. And it could just be gone nuts, but it’s just it’s a rough time. Honestly.
Scott D Clary 31:03
Let’s let’s we can go into the the negative and all that stuff. Probably we could talk about that forever. But let’s focus on some more positive some things that you’ve learned from your career. So I guess one, one question I like to ask is, What is something the biggest area of opportunity in politics and advocacy? What’s a topic that you’re interested or you’re trying to learn about right now?
Elizabeth Pipko 31:29
Oh, good question. Unfortunately, I think every topic right now, I mean, it’s out there, but they’re all kind of overwhelmed with advocates on like, very, you know, very far and both, you know, left, right, the aisle. And it’s very hard to be not only your own person, but it’s very hard to even research because you talk to individuals or whatever it is kind of you know, you can find out based on who they voted for how they feel about the current administration, what they’re going to tell you, like, no one wants to be honest anymore and speak as an individual, they speak as like a part of this, like, left wing or right wing army. And that’s something that I just, I never want to be a part of, I don’t believe in it, people on the right to support me are gonna watch this and hate me for saying it, but I just don’t like it. I just want to be my own person. Like, I don’t want to do that. So it’s really hard right now to research and be a part of these things. Like, for example, after George Floyd was murdered, it was a really rough time in American history that’s gonna go down as a rough time, but it was really hard to, you know, individuals to live through that force family, and everyone suffered extremely. But we all were, you know, in our own way up front of it, like America is facing a serious issue. And I decided to, like, you know, call that out on social media and just say, hey, you know, racism was awful. And it’s genuinely, like, heartbreaking that a black child is gonna have to watch that video one day because it’s plastered on social media forever. And it’s, it’s terrifying. And it should not happen in America, the greatest country in the world, and my parents fled to to avoid these things. So I said that and people on both sides of the aisle tried to call me either, you know, a racist, who’s never cared about black people in the first place. Or those in the writers said that I’m the reason that you know, America is gonna fall through the cracks and die because I choose to call up racism, whatever it is. And it’s like, I can’t even stand up against racism as like a normal American who genuinely was heartbroken by that video, like 99.9% of people were, I can’t even do that anymore. Like, that should be the most basic American, you know, values and traditions like we don’t fancy people being treated badly in our country by anybody. And you can’t even do that anymore. Because people will tell you, you said it wrong. And you did it wrong. You can’t say that we’re on the right. You don’t say they’re on the left. You don’t say that. And it was just it was really scary. Like I turned social media off for two days. And it was less genuinely less about like the nasty comments to me. And more about like, Where the hell are we like my parents might die or childhood were like you were in the greatest land of all time, you can do anything. You can stand up against anyone, you can just believe in anything you want. And now I’m just a 25 year old, I think I was still 24 Then but it’s 2425 year old girl who’s like, hey, racism is bad, like breaks my heart this is out there. I have to say something because it hurts me as someone who fights against anti semitism. I was always I will always fight against racism and hatred of any time. And I had to say something because I just felt it in my soul. Like I had to say something. And it’s like, if you get attacked for like, a few sentences, calling out racism, like what can you even stand for anymore? Right now, like, it’s so hard out there. And it’s, it’s sad, because it’s not the country that we are at all I thought the country my parents came to, you know, 40 years ago, Islamic country that I want to raise kids and I want them to understand against Patriot defense, or whatever they believe, and even people disagree. And like you said, it’s social media to like, people just feel the need to call people out, tear them down, no matter what they say. And it’s bringing us down like as a whole so much. And I just I don’t know how it’s like people are going to look back on this time because it’s really scary. Like we can’t come together to call out racism and anti semitism like simple things that the American people have always done. And we can’t do it right now because we can’t get on the same page on the most basic like human values and it’s so scary.
Scott D Clary 34:40
Now that was a very very heavy answer, but I appreciate it because I didn’t know it was good. And it’s it’s very real but for yourself so let’s stay out of the the advocacy and like topics because like you mentioned it’s very hard to dive into something now because of the the environment. So what for yours Where do you what else do you want to do in your career is there you know, skating, advocacy? Writing, what else is next for you? Is there anything that you have planned?
Elizabeth Pipko 35:10
So many things my head is like my wheels are always turning because I’m crazy, I need to accomplish everything. I would love to keep skating and see what happens. I mean, to make like an actual comeback to competition after everything would be just the greatest feeling in the entire world. And really like a victory that I can take with me through my life. Because, I mean, I had really the most amazing childhood and that injury and like the 667 years that followed, emotionally, like physically, mentally, or like the hardest time of my life, like I dealt with, like suicidal attempts and thoughts that like 1617 literally couldn’t walk upstairs for two years after getting my passed off, like getting back on the ice is traumatizing. And I literally cried every single day from pain, I still cry from pain, sometimes my ankles just clenches up themselves working. It was really, really, really hard. So if I could come back on the ice, not only for myself, but anyone else that ever gets injured, or just kind of setback of any kind, like that would be amazing. So I’m really working on that. See what happens with skating. Um, I think the advocacy thing will stay with me through life, like the things that I believe in, I’ll never stop, you know, I like advocating for those things. But also, I think it’s about opening people’s minds less about telling them, Hey, this is what I believe you should do. It’s more I think, for me, like encouraging conversation, like I think people need to learn relearn, how to have conversations about things that matter to them. So it’s less about me explaining to people why I believe in what I believe. And I think that’s second. And like, first off is just explaining to people that it’s okay to have the conversations about these definitions that we believe in. That’s really important to me, I think that’s what America stands for. And that’s something that I will always advocate for. I would love to go back to modeling. I was like, Well, I mean, our big agency for like three years, different agency, went back and forth did a bunch of things. I did like a body positive positivity campaign while ago like a non Photoshop campaign was from viral that was really cool. Just like whatever I can do with every little girls dream to model and I loved every minute of it, that would be cool, they would do that. Again, I’d love to keep writing during like when COVID started. And I knew we’d be locked out for quite a bit of time I took an online really long, like a, I don’t say that wasn’t like official culinary school, but like a culinary certification course, that I spent like eight hours a day on I got my certification. So that was really cool. I’d love to do a cookbook after this book. That’s another dream of mine. Probably a kosher cookbook, because I became kosher at 14 and like, are going more in my family, like slowly more and more orthodox. Like, as the years go on. So I’d love to like do a kosher cookbook and encourage other young Jews. keep kosher. See how easy it is? Put my love of cooking into a book. That’d be cool. I don’t really know just all the things I mentioned that 100 More hopefully
Scott D Clary 37:44
good. I’m good. No, that’s good. I just wonder if any projects but just seems like you’re not you’re always like keeping your options open and just yeah, you just go in and you know, just kill it with whatever you do. So like, you know, that’s that’s very admirable, it’s hard for people to sort of take you even, you know, one thing on and do well at it, let alone a several thing. So it’s I think it’s like a personality trait. It’s definitely you know, that internal drive. Where do you where do you go to, to learn? Or to stay on top? Is it you know, books, mentors, podcasts that you can recommend that people should go check out?
Elizabeth Pipko 38:19
Yeah, I’m really, really lucky that when I go somewhere, I go to my dad. He’s the smartest person in the world. And I go to him for advice on everything to look over like offense that I write like, he’s my editor and my mentor and my advisor. And like, he’s just smartest and kind of criminalised. He’s my person, I go to him for everything. So I’m very lucky that that I would say in general, watch out for everything on the internet, like you said, like you never know. But I like to listen to podcasts a lot. And I like to go back and forth between those that are like no one on one side of the aisle notion or the other. Because you’ll you’ll hear the same topics being talked about in very different ways. And it’s a good way to like form your opinions. Because a I’d like to know what other people are saying, You know what, I don’t agree with them. That’s super important. And B, it’ll help shape you. Like when I was little I thought that I was, I remember saying that I’m a Republican, like 11 or 12 years old, and my parents were like, you’re 12 Take it like, take it easy. And it’s true, like you will evolve over time. So there’s no reason that you know, I mean, a lot of people who are like 1617, and tell me like, they look up to me, or they’re very strong, political, Republican, whatever they want to be people on either side who attack me like, same thing. And it’s like you’re a teenager, your 20s 30s, whatever, like, you’re going to evolve, you’re going to meet different people go through different experiences and your mind like it could open up, it could change you never know. So I would just say listening to everyone that you can listen to that is kind in their approach. And you know, obviously keep the same values, morals, ethics that you support, but I would listen to everyone because it doesn’t make any sense to keep yourself on one side because it’s only going to shape you for talking to those people. And that’s not what you want. Like we’re not going to grow as individuals by only talking to those that agree with us. That’s just silly. So I think that’s most important. listen to podcasts and news, whatever it is, both sides because you will learn maybe you’ll learn that you’re right 100% Right, and you’ll only like grow stronger in your own opinion. That’s important to you can’t do Am I only listening to those that agree with him?
Scott D Clary 40:02
That’s a it’s a good answer. Um, you know, I wanted to there was an example I can’t remember his name one second. It’s it’s the he’s his famous. But it’s it’s the black guy who started a relationship with one of like the leaders in the Klu Klux Klan. And that whole story just blows my mind. And it just makes me think like, you want an extreme example of how somebody can change over time. That whole story and you know, it’s so bad that I’m I’m blanking on it now. Geez, what’s
Elizabeth Pipko 40:35
a good opportunity for people to Google and learn?
Scott D Clary 40:38
Yeah, no, it’s so long story short, and I’m going to be you know, I’m going to be in so much trouble forgetting the names this guy is actually relatively famous. And it was long story short, he was just doing interviews with people in this this black guy was doing interviews with people in the Atlas clan, because he wanted to understand why they could hate any any interviewed somebody who was like very, very, very high up in the in the organization. And, you know, he just he just went out on a limb and did it, did an interview with them, ask them questions, wrote an hour, you know, they finished interview. And then And then, you know, he said keep in touch the Kukoc sky said keep in touch. So he did and he started inviting them over to his house even though this guy was like a leader of this like very, very right wing, racist organization. He kept in touch with this black, you know, journalist or I think he was writing a book actually on the Ku Klux Klan, this black guy, and and I’m going to get the names. I’m going to drop the book in the link for this. It’s a great, that’s a great story as well go get your I’ll get your book as well in the length for this. But long story short, like, like 10 years later, or something like that. This guy, the leader in the Ku Klux Klan built such a relationship with this guy, right that he eventually left the Ku Klux Klan, and he went and in his, like, his speech of him like retiring from I don’t know how you leave. He was like, basically, this, this black guy has given me more respect than you all all you white people have. And this is like a total, total, aside from you know, your story, but I just thought it was such a it was I just saw it on gold cast last night. That’s why it’s so relevant. And it was just such, it was such a like an impactful story about how like, the total, total, total opposite end of the spectrum, if you open yourself up to learning, like the things that can happen and the person you can become, it’s just, it’s very incredible. It’s just, it’s just total 180, from where this guy was originally.
Elizabeth Pipko 42:24
Right? Yeah, don’t want to stay in your circle, you can post on social media and get your likes for your opinion and call it day. If you actually genuinely want to change the world. You’re not gonna do that around people that already agree with you. Like, that’s not gonna change and you have to reach across to something, you know, someone else.
Scott D Clary 42:39
Who are the three most influential people in your life? You can say, It’s okay. Most people say some, some
Elizabeth Pipko 42:48
people say yeah, I mean, I have a husband and brother and two parents. So like, for people that want okay, that’s perfect. I don’t have a lot of friends. So that’s actually easy. I’d say my honestly, I’m very lucky, like you said, support system wise, like my parents are the greatest people in the world. My brother’s my best friend. My husband is kindness, Martin, I mean, just perfect. Like very, very lucky with everyone around me genuinely, like the close knit family. I’m beyond blessed. So I have them. Um, I say, I’m very lucky with grandparents. Also, my grandma, father on my dad’s side passed away before I was born. My grandfather on my mom’s side who was very close with me passed away like two years ago, I had like step grandfather passed away a year before that I had like an adopted grandfather, that stories in the book very complicated as well, but he passed away like a year before both of them. So my grandmother’s that are still alive, very influential, just because that’s like, the legacy that I have an honor to be a part of, like, that’s the pressure that I take with me when I want to conquer all these things. It’s like looking at my grandmother’s, who, you know, may not be around, you know, won’t be around forever. Like this is about like continuing their legacy, my grandfather’s legacy, things that they risked everything for to come to America, like so that grandchildren one day would have this legacy. So it’s like a pressure on my shoulders, because they’re all amazing to continue on what they started. So I don’t know if it’s like, I don’t come to them with every advice, you know, question whatever it is, because I don’t like to bother them with, you know, politics and stupid 20 year old stuff. But it’s like a light, like, that’s the pressure that’s on me. 24/7 So it does guide me, I say that. And then I don’t even know like I look at all different athletes and politicians and people all the time. I’ll watch like random as well. So I say this in the book. I think I’ve watched like random YouTube videos for like, America’s Got Talent, auditions, like, all these things. Because like, you want to open your mind and see people out there. And there’s so many stories like I hope that my skating stories inspire someone. There’s so many stories in the world and so many freakin incredible people. And if you open your mind, whether you agree with them politically, or like it doesn’t matter if they’re from a different university, you get different language. There are so so many incredible people in our world doing the most. I mean, beautiful things, like some of the toughest things. If you open your mind, just try to look, you know, don’t look for negative news articles. Well, you don’t like look for beautiful stories from across the world with people doing things, things that you could never imagine human being doing and seeing them getting it done. That will also lead you through the hard times the good times. Know when you’re down to it that’s going on somewhere at the same time, when you’re up, you’ll be happy because that’s going out. Like it’s just, it guides you through life because we all feel like we’re in a little cluster all the time. But the world is gigantic and full of amazing and evil and beautiful and special and different people. And when you know what’s out there, I think it it lifts you up in a way that you wouldn’t really imagine. Because you know that you’re special and you’re lucky to be in the world right now as crazy as it is the same time as all these, you know, amazingly different people.
Scott D Clary 45:28
Very good answer. And what would be the, the best day of your life and the worst day of your life. And why?
Elizabeth Pipko 45:38
Oh, Lord, um, the worst day of my life. When my adopted grandfather passed away, it was like, I’ve lost like a great grandmother before and like great aunts, Uncle like I lost people. But this was like, my favorite person in the entire universe. The story is in the book, and it’s a really special story. So that’s important to me. But basically, this was like a couple that a woman who came to babysit me when I was three weeks old, because both my parents were like, very busy and traveling and things. And she came at three weeks and became like an adopted grandmother at one point, our house instead of coming as well, because my parents had a brother and she was older and couldn’t take care of me alone. And I ended up seeing them every single day, they became like adopted grandparents from three weeks old, the day that he passed away, she’s still alive. Thank God, I talked to her every single day. Like, literally, you don’t understand how lucky you are. And like, how much God loves you till he sends you this couple that has no blood relation to you whatsoever and loves you like their own child, their own grandchild. So I’d say when he passed away, it was just as hard as my grandfather later and all these things I just, I’d never experienced that. Like it’s that heavily because when your loved unconditionally like I was by all my grandfather’s, you don’t really think about it. Going away at some point. I think when he passed away, it hit me like I mean, never be loved like that, again, by anyone. Like that’s like the ultimate unconditional love is like a grandparent, especially a grandfather, granddaughter. So I say losing my grandfather, my dad was grandpa like it was just, y’all have I lost like three grandfather’s basically like in the span of three years. And that’s hard. But it’s like the scariest thing in the world. Because when you do go to things when you’re little and people are against you, whatever it is, like you said the support system is most important. And I knew that they would just go to frickin battle for me like, that’s, like an unconditional love I genuinely don’t think I’ll ever see again in my lifetime. So losing that was really, really hard. Realizing that they weren’t like, none of them will be at my wedding. Like that was actually that was hard and like, just I’m going to love all the grandfather’s together because their deaths were just awful. I’m best in my life is hard. I don’t even know. Um, I got married, like, a year and a half ago. So I hope that that’s some like the top three. Um, I don’t know, I mean, meeting my husband, he thinks I’m crazy. But I think that day was more special for me than actually even getting married to him because people make fun of me, but it’s true. I barely spoke to him that day. I just overheard him like speaking to someone I was working with. And I came home and told my mom like, I met the man I’m gonna marry. Like, I knew that day. So I think like that, I say that was more special than even marrying him. That was a good day. Maybe it’s gonna sound cliche the day my brother was born, I feel that’s a good day. I didn’t realize it till years later that he’d be my best friend. But I guess the day he was born is like top three as well. There’s a lot of good days, like, good. A lump those together.
Scott D Clary 48:14
That’s good. That’s good. Those are the I just like to want to ask a question. It’s like to understand like, what, what is like really, really, I guess something that made a mark on on your on your on yourself. Like as you as you sort of went through your life and everyone has a different sometimes it’s careers handed family. A lot of the times it’s family, but I like those are those are good answers. And I appreciate the I appreciate the story about all your grandfather’s. But no, that’s, that sounds like you know, that you had an amazing you do have an amazing family. It’s always nice, and it’s always helpful, right? It’s, that’s, you can’t you can’t take that for granted. What would be one lesson that you would tell your younger self?
Elizabeth Pipko 48:53
Um, if they keep going, like that would be number one. Because there was a lot of times I mean, 15 1617 year old I mean, we all deal with it as teenagers but like, I consider my younger self even me like four months ago, like just keep going. Like no matter what happens you either, you know, you can either shrivel up and die right there. Or you can keep going but continuing half assed, like that’s just not going to work so it’s just keep going because the better days are always ahead worse days also, but you have to keep going because it’s so easy especially for me I deal with so much anxiety all the time. It is so easy to just like stop and like consume myself was like crazy that’s awesome. Negative thoughts and everything else it’s just keep going the world will forget what happened today you will move on better things your head. Just always always always keep going.
Scott D Clary 49:38
Very good. And then last last question before I get some so socialism websites from what does success mean to you?
Elizabeth Pipko 49:47
Um, they don’t question everyone says this. And like I don’t want to be a cliche, but I think it’s like slowly hitting me my whole life. It was like success is like having diplomas and degrees and awards and things to put on your wall and I I’m still that person and I want all those things. But my husband is like slowly starting to, like help me realize this, like success is so much, not even greater. It’s actually so much smaller than that. It’s being able to like lay on your deathbed, and be surrounded by people that love you. Because no matter how many you know, metals you have on your wall, you don’t want to surround yourself with that by yourself on your deathbed. So it’s about having people around you that love you and loving yourself. Because one day you will totally be alone, closing your eyes the last time and if you’re not okay with the life you live, that is the opposite of success doesn’t matter how the world remembers you. If you don’t like the person, you are like you’re screwed. So I would say liking who you are every single night when you close your eyes, continuing the next day in the same direction, and just trying to be kind to everyone and leave the world a better place.
Scott D Clary 50:42
Very good. And lastly, where do people find you online?
Elizabeth Pipko 50:47
Um, Twitter and Instagram are both just my name listed just hit go. And then it was a cisco.com.
Scott D Clary 50:53
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